Chef Matty Matheson’s Cooking with Fire

Chef Matty Matheson’s Cooking with Fire | In episode 47 of Light Culture Podcast, Paper Magazine founder David Hershkovits sits down with chef and media personality Matty Matheson.

In another week dominated by widespread uprisings against racial injustice in the United States that spread around the world, David takes some time to get a perspective from an unlikely advocate of abolishing the police, Matty Matheson, celebrity chef and media personality. Matty grew up a punk kid going to DIY shows and abusing substances until he got sober and rose to fame on the internet and on VICE TV’s popular Munchies.  Matty Matheson joins us on light culture to talk about his journey and his support of the defund the police movement.

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David: [00:00:00]

Like the rest of us, Matty Matheson’s world has been disrupted. This has happened to him before, but not quite in the same way. Today, a well-known chef, restaurateur, podcast host, and YouTube. His out-sized personality and people person approach to life made him a Vice TV staple on shows like, Munchies It’s Suppertime, and Dead Set On Life. But like I said, his life has been disrupted before. Most traumatically with a heart attack at the age of 29. But that didn’t slow down his hard-partying ways. His friends staged an intervention, which finally hit home. So, today he’s healthy, hard-working, married, a father. Life is good. But then it isn’t. Of course, I’m talking about Corona and Black Lives Matter. Two peas in a pod. So welcome, Matty. Has what I’m calling you’re disrupted life prepared you for any of this?

Matty: [00:01:02]

Hey, David. Thanks for the intro.

David: [00:01:05] [00:01:06]

I hit you hard with that one. Right?

Matty: [00:01:07]

Yeah. Has it prepared? I don’t know if you’re ever really prepared. I think that you just constantly have tools and skills from all the adventures and misadventures. I think I’m happy that I’ve been saying, fuck the police, for so long. You know, I think I’m just happy that I was brought up by parents that cared about people, and just had some genuine compassion and a lot of resilience.

I don’t feel prepared. I just feel like I’m me. And I think I’m able to move… the way I move because I don’t have to overthink a lot of things. I’m just going with how I feel. And if I see a black person, or a person of color, getting killed on camera by a cop. I’m gonna say, fuck the cops. Instantly. I don’t have to worry about fucking PR. I don’t have to worry about fucking anybody saying, “Fucking slow down.” Because guess what? If you worry about it then what – what are you worried about? You know? I am able to… project my feelings onto my social media, and not really have to worry about it. I don’t care if police officers follow me and catch feelings about what’s happening. Or like I don’t care about white people catching feelings. It isn’t about that.

David: [00:03:12]

But you said you’ve always felt, you know, fuck the police. What made you feel that way? And how did you express that? Have you always had this political side to you that has been unexposed?

Matty: [00:03:29]

I grew up next to, you know, one of the great American cities, Buffalo, in a small Canadian town called Fort Erie. And growing up there there’s farmers, jocks… Jocks just turn into cops usually. And I was a fat punk kid. And I was an outsider. You know? And I think just searching for a different kind of subculture, and finding punk and hardcore at a young age. And finding a group of individuals, luckily in my town, that would go to Buffalo to hardcore shows in basements, and different venues, and all-age shows, and Sunday matinees. Finding a subculture, in your early teens is something that I gravitated towards. I didn’t want what was right in front of me. We had to dig a little bit deeper. And finding punk music, and listening to the lyrics about suicide and people being molested, and people fighting for people of color. And, getting into Ska and Trojan Records, and hanging out with Sharps. At a very young age, I was like, I don’t like the way police treat people. I don’t like the way that people treat, you know, black people or people of color. Especially coming from a very predominantly white town. So, I think just from an early age, I found a community was fuck society. The way that society is shown to you is not the way that it should be. There’s a different way that we can treat each other. There’s a DIY mindframe of doing things yourself on a grassroots. Make a zine, put on a show, do something. Contribute. You know, don’t just take away. And I think that that was something that I at a young age, understood and wanted to be a part of. And that seemed very special to me.

David: [00:05:56]

You tipped your hat to your parents. So, how did they help you? Did they support your explorations into these subcultures? They were all cool with that?

Matty: [00:06:06]

Yeah. And they used to drive us. My parents used to drive us all the time over to shows, because we were going to punk shows before I was sixteen. So, we were driving over. My parents would, you know, drop us off, they’d go to the mall, do some like grocery shopping, do whatever, come pick us up. It’s really kind of funny, because I’ve – [sighs] I’ve said, you know, FTP and ACAB, fucking all the stuff, you know, for so long. And at the exact same time, my mother’s father was the chief of police of Fredericton, uh, New Brunswick for like seventeen years.

David: [00:06:44]

Wow.

Matty: [00:06:44]

He was the head of the highway patrol. My father’s dad was a RCMP up in White Horse with a lot of Inuits. Riding around on dogsleds and wearing polar bear fur. And my dad, his father, my grandfather was a sergeant in the royal mounted police. It’s funny because I have two brothers and none of us are cops. My grandfather, who was the chief of police- He didn’t make it about that. He was always just our grampy. He was just there. A hundred percent love. Like, we never saw a gun in my life. I never saw his badge. when we went to go visit him, it was just grampy. We weren’t a police family. Even though he was the chief of police, it was like I didn’t even know the police existed growing up. It wasn’t ingrained in us that the police were there to save us. And so, I never thought that cops were superior. You know, I wasn’t – I was never told that they were there to really protect us. I was never taught that. It was just like, act right. You know? And even my parents   they’re like sixty-two. They’re just good people. Like, my dad- we used to come to Toronto for Father’s Day, and we would go record shopping. My dad loved music. And so, we would go like record shopping. And I remember one time, we’re in Sam The Record Man on Young Street in Toronto. Iconic. Iconic record shop or massive store. And there was somebody that wasn’t completely sound that was of color having a little bit of a freak out in Sam The Record Man. And he was causing a commotion. And I watched my father, like, calm this dude down. Hug this guy. And bring this dude outside, give him some money, and I’ve never seen something like that in my life. Like something that seemed so aggressive, so loud, so disruptive, and then seeing my father – You know, most kids want to tell the story of like their dad beating the shit out of somebody. “My dad’s a tough guy.”

I was probably around ten-years-old, um, when I saw that. And it was just something that I was just like, man that’s cool. My parents are very compassionate. They’re very understanding people. They have never, I’ve never heard them say anything racist in my life. They don’t think that way. I was always brought up- There’s assholes and there’s not assholes. And I was brought up that you always want to be on the good side of things. Like if somebody doesn’t have a dollar and you’ve got two dollars, give that guy a dollar. I’ve seen my dad multiple times. You know, just growing up seeing, like, having a father that would give homeless people money. You know, just seeing those types of actions whenever we would go to the city was always something that just kind of stuck in my brain. And, you know, made me kind of proud.

David: [00:10:28]

So, you can’t really blame your going off the rails those years on your parents. Right?

Matty: [00:10:34]

No. [laughter] My parents are amazing people. I just have the best times with my parents.

David: [00:10:45]

Right.

Matty: [00:10:46]

Growing up, I got two brothers and a sister and, you know, growing up we used to have a lot of good house parties, and we used to, you know, my house was a vibe growing up. And in high school, it was every weekend, we had like an open door policy. There was food for everybody. Me and my brothers are all two years apart. There’d be fifteen kids at our house every Friday, Saturday, partying, having a good time. My sister was a couple years older, so she was out of the house already. My parents would have their whole crew over and we would just have these house parties every weekend. And my parents would be making barbecue and having fun. It was community. You know, like from day one, my house was a stronghold for people that, you know, the amount of people that used to sleep on our couches, we never locked our doors. If one of our friends needed to sleep over, we didn’t even have to ask. It was just like, “Yo, like, Timmy’s on the couch. Dan-” Our one homie used to live in a tent out in our like backyard for like a year. It was just like, you know, it was just like a safe place kind of thing.

David: [00:12:09]

Yeah. You’re a lucky man that way. So, now you have a new show, Powerful Truth Angels. Right?

Matty: [00:12:23]

Yeah.

David: [00:12:23]

You have a co-host, Alex/2tone. So, tell me a little bit about him. I know he’ll be very interested to hear what you have to say.

Matty: [00:12:38]

Alex is you know, one of my dearest friends. I love him very much. Our relationship literally started out with me DMing Born and Raised, which is his clothing company based out of LA with Spanto. And Alex is born and raised in Venice, California. Graffiti writer, had an amazing life growing up in eighties, early-nineties Venice. Him and Spanto had a pretty colorful upbringing out there. And, it’s so funny. I remember DMing Born and Raised almost eight years ago. Like right at the very beginning when Instagram started and I started doing stuff with Vice.

I used to wear FUCT and Born and Raised. And I DMed Born and Raised, and I was just like, “Hey, man, like I don’t know if you know who the fuck I am. You probably don’t. I got a TV show on, like, Vice. And, I’d love to wear, you know, your brand. I think your brand is fucking sick.” And I started just DMing back and forth. And then when I was going to and from LA we just became buddies about seven years ago. But Alex is one of those dudes. He runs Born and Raised and he’s just like, this big dude. And he’s very fucking funny. The podcast is- Me being me and he’s trying to lift the veil and show people how narcissistic I am, like he’s trying to be like, “You’re not a nice guy.” And I’m like, “I’m the nice guy!” Because I’m always like peace and love and everything’s great. And he’s like, “You’re a fucking asshole.” And so, it’s just me and him going back and forth being like real friends. Where we just kind of, like, shred each other all day. But Alex is just like an OG graffiti kid who has been doing his thing for a long time, you know.

David: [00:15:24]

Obviously both of you have strong political opinions. You know, seems to be shaped by the current events right now because how could it not be. Right? You can’t just really ignore what’s going outside your window. So, is this a turn for you permanently? Do you think we’ll ever get back to those days where you can just fool around in the kitchen and talk shit?

Matty: [00:15:54]

I don’t know. I think that right now everyone needs to be doing some work, and trying to figure out how to move forward and take control. And I think trying to change some laws, and donating money, and putting it where it really needs the funds. It’s going to take some time. I think the protests are proving to be doing successful things. There’s still so many murderous cops out there, and they are making arrests. Are they gonna be going to jail? Who fucking knows.

There’s no rest any time soon. I think Mr. George Floyd and that fucking piece of shit cop, sparked something that – If it’s not changing now, then like when? At what cost? How many more, black people have to be killed by cops? And how much longer? In ten more years? And it’s so sad to see those videos. Of being like, I’ve been doing these protests for thirty years. I’ve been doing these protests for fucking forty years. And it’s just so scary to see, being like, wasn’t the time in the sixties? Wasn’t that the time? In the seventies. Wasn’t that the time? I think, there’s hope, there’s more information out there than ever before. There’s more viewing than anything ever. Like nothing has been viewed like this before. And I hope that people can harness it and use it as a positive, and use it as real structure to begin dismantling the systematic racism that is controlling the entire world.

David: [00:18:14]

You mentioned the sixties, which was the last major Civil Rights Movement when people were, in the streets. And that’s what the difference is right now. Even though people have been aware of the problem for quite a long time, it hasn’t ever reached the proportions as it has now. And when people are in the streets, change does happen. when people get out in the streets and start protesting in mass, that is a change maker. And, nothing has really made that happen up until now. So, here we are in a very different moment. People are still out in the street two weeks after. I’m hoping that this is going to make a difference. The problem is for us. The white people out there. To figure out what we can do to help at this time. And I think you hit it on a couple of notes? Donating money to the right places. Helping, understanding, seeing, listening.

Matty: [00:19:30]

I’m like an independent, right. Like, I make my content, I have two pizzerias right now. I’m gonna open up some new restaurants. Before Covid hit, you know, I’m in the middle of two constructions on restaurants right now. And now what I’m trying to do is figure out how to truly, put my money where my mouth is. And that’s a thing that I’m trying to figure out, like who can I align with, and even set up a team or a board and try to allocate funds monthly to different organizations or, GoFundMes, or whatever we’re gonna try to do. But I’m trying to figure out how to put a system in place, where it’s just like we don’t have to profit a hundred percent.

And even though the margins are, you know, if you’re restaurant is firing on all cylinders, and you have everything dialed. And you’re running at even 95 percent. Your profits are still probably 12 percent. Just think if you’re doing like a two million dollar restaurant – a one million dollar restaurant – doing seven and hundred and fifty K in sales. It’s still, it’s very – Like, if you’re doing 12 percent, you’re doing very good. Which is a scary thing with restaurants. A lot of people see these fantasy restaurants and these fantasy people with all this money and all these things. It’s because most of the time, most losers in fucking the restaurant business – they lease a Range Rover and they put it through that restaurant. And they use a cottage as an AirBnB. And they put that through that business. And they’re just running things through their business. They’re not actually independently wealthy. It’s a lot of smoke and mirrors. I think the world loves showing off how successful people are by buying stupid things.

But I what I’m really trying to do is figure out how to get – A. How to take care of my family. You know, I want to take care of my family. Now, once my family’s taken care and we have financial security. At that moment, I can now allocate some funds and try to do what is best. As a human. Not that I’m like some multi-millionaire. But I make a lot more money than most people. If you’re making a certain amount of money, you should be able to give a large amount of that away.I think that’s it. I’m just trying to figure out how to really participate. I can’t physically be at every march or protest. Or I can’t, you know, be aware of every single thing that’s going on. But once I start opening up some restaurants and I have some more staff, I can build the kind of board that I want to do. I’ve been donating for like a long time. And I’ve been, you know, doing things. But now I think it’s like a very serious time to kind of just be like, like, everyone needs to be doing it.

David: [00:23:21]

And is most of your work in Canada still?

Matty: [00:23:25]

Well, I’m based at – Yeah, I’m on the Internet, it’s kind of like I’m this [laughs] like thing on the Internet. What I’m trying to do because of Covid is be more self-sufficient. I built a studio in my barn. So, I can start shooting videos. And so, then I’m like, I can walk out, I can shoot some videos in my barn, I can do it myself. We can do it. And we can produce content for not a lot of money, and we can get it out regularly. Which can build revenue. Then I can take that revenue and – and allocate it. Right? And I think like that’s the thing I’m trying to do, is figure out how to be self-sufficient. Where I don’t have to travel. And how I can sustain a certain amount of finance in business without, you know, people. Without airplanes. Without, you know, Uber.

David: [00:24:33]

Yeah. Be very strategic. Right?

Matty: [00:24:35]

Yes.

David: [00:24:36]

And, you know, cause here in America, where I’m based, uh, you know, we feel like, Canada is like our benign neighbor to the North. Kind of like an escape hatch, you know, for if things get bad here. You know –

Matty: [00:24:49]

Yeah.

David: [00:24:50]

Do you feel that way about Canada as well? Do you feel that Canada has the same problems as the US? Maybe not as, you know, extreme?

Matty: [00:25:09]

Yeah. Well, I think we have the exact same problems. There certainly was slavery in Canada. But, our biggest prejudice is against aboriginal and indigenous people. And like that’s where we see it more. Or where I see it more. And, you know, a hundred percent, it’s the same. Canada actually has more land mass than America. But, Canada has the population of California. So, take the population of California, sprinkle it across America. Guess what? There’s gonna be different tensions. It’s still human. So, it’s like humans are so racist. So, of course we are still racist. And of course the cops are still killing people, cause cops are trained to kill people. Imagine having thirty-six million people in America. That’s Canada. It’s a different temperament. It is a different space. Our biggest city is Toronto and it’s what? Four million? People. People are the problem. You know?

David: [00:27:10]

Yeah.

Matty: [00:27:11]

And white people. Colonialism. [laughs] You know, it’s just a fact.

David: [00:27:20]

In your show, the Powerful Truth Angels, where, at least the last one that I saw was very outspoken about all of this political stuff. But a lot of your audience still thinks of you as, you know, not the old Matty, uh. People are wondering, will you return? Have they lost the old Matty?

Matty: [00:27:49]

Yo, I’m gonna keep working. I’m gonna keep making videos. I’m gonna keep making cooking videos. The thing about it is, like, every six months I have to put up a video on my Instagram being like, “Hey, if you’re a racist, transphobic, or sexist, a loser. If you think that you’re better than anybody just because of who you are. Unfollow me. Like, I’m not fucking your guy. And just because I am this… you know, fat fucking white guy covered in tattoos doesn’t mean that we think the same.” You know?

And that’s the thing that I keep kind of saying. That I’m like, “We don’t think the same. Thanks for letting me know you’re gonna unfollow me for putting up a Black Lives Matter post. Thanks for letting me know that. And anyone that puts up All Lives Matter. I’m gonna block you. Cause guess what? I don’t actually care about the numbers on fucking social media.” You know? And it’s just like, that’s the thing that people get it twisted. They’re like, “You lost a follower.” And I’m like, “I’m not a corporation. I’m fucking me. I’m the guy behind it.” My team is two amazing women. You know? And it’s just like I don’t have a – I’m not a giant operation. Am I losing you? Guess what? All those ten racist losers that fucking say something. People just don’t, kind of, get really who I am. Or like the people that are constantly just saying, “Stick to food.” You know, anyone that’s in fashion. “Stick to fashion.” “Stick to music.” Stick to whatever skillset that that person is following you for. It’s just like, I didn’t start Instagram and start making cooking videos just to be that. I’m me. I’m Matty. And if you don’t like Matty for Black Lives Matter, you don’t get to have Matty that’s gonna make, you know, steak tartar. Or fucking, you know, donuts. Or whatever the fuck I’m making. Because who gives a fuck about that. Like this is the stuff that matters. And – And it’s just like – I just, you know, if you can’t accept me for Black Lives Matter, than you don’t get to have, you know, my fucking chorizo lasagna recipes. You know?

David: [00:30:17]

Do you find that the people in the food world share your views for the most part? Do you feel that that’s like a progressive, group overall?

Matty: [00:30:28]

Uh. I think restaurants are pretty fucked. In general. It’s a pretty broken system kind of like everything right now. And I think right now, the cracks are breaking apart. There’s more light coming in. More honesty, more truth. And, you know, I would love to see more chefs speaking up about this. I think a lot of chefs are white males. And I think that, once again, it’s just one of those things. The patriarchy is very fucked. And, I think there’s a lot of chefs that could obviously do more. And there’s a lot of people that are just posturing.

If you’re a restaurant group and all you put up was a fucking black tile in the last two fucking weeks, you’re a fucking kook. If you’re doing the bare minimum – and it’s just like, I love the people that are like coming out, like, ten days after the Mr. George Floyd was fucking murdered and lynched. They’re like, “We were giving some space. We were giving some space.” I’m like, if you saw that and didn’t have the urge to go onto Instagram and be like, “Yo, fuck the police. They’re fucking murdering people on camera and nothing’s happening.” Like if you didn’t have that in you, then you don’t have it in you. And then that means that you’re part of the problem. If that didn’t make you disgusted, if that didn’t make you furious, then you are – you’re mentally unsound. To ask white people to help, is like asking a wall to crumble by looking at it. You know?

David: [00:32:03]

Well, that’s really the conversation right now. How can we help? You know, what can we do? And, you know, because, you know, telling black people what they should do is obviously not, you know, called for at this time.

Matty: [00:32:18]

Yeah. Nobody needs to be telling black people what to do at all.

David: [00:32:21]

I wanted to also ask you about celebrities in politics. I use celebrities in quotes.

Matty: [00:32:31]

Yeah.

David: [00:32:31]

When people would speak out about politics, they would be made fun of. “What do you know about politics?” Or, “You’re an actor. You’re a musician.” And today that’s obviously changed. Have you ever felt that way yourself when you heard someone, like Kanye meeting with Trump, for example. Where, you know, the results might be good in the end, with the regard to social justice.

Matty: [00:33:00]

Yeah.

David: [00:33:00]

At the same time, it doesn’t look very good. Right?

Matty: [00:33:03]

It doesn’t look very good. That’s like the double-edged sword, right? Like is he – Is he truly doing that? Does he put on the MAGA to do social justice? I don’t know. Like who knows? And it’s – it’s just whatever about Kanye, really.

David: [00:33:19]

Not so much about Kanye. You know, just saying that-

Matty: [00:33:20]

I think celebrities – Dude. I think there’s good in speaking out, obviously. I think there’s like a lot of, you know, people posturing, obviously. And there’s a lot of like the influencing, and people doing it for that reason. There’s gonna be genuine outpour, and you can see that for yourselves. I think some celebrities are consistent. I think some people are doing what’s right. I think a lot of people are donating and being quiet. And that’s fine. Sure. I don’t even like to judge anybody. Like I really don’t really like to judge anybody for how they protest or what they contribute. I don’t want to see any of your receipts. I don’t really care. As long as you’re doing something. And I think that that’s fine.

David: [00:34:07]

Well you know – I was just gonna say, like you can point your finger at yourself at the same time. Right? Like, what do you know about politics? Who are you? You’re a chef. You have this history of being a huge partier. You know, what makes you qualified to talk about this?

Matty: [00:34:26]

Absolutely. Well, that’s the thing too. Like, dude. The only way that I’m qualified is because I see a human getting murdered. That’s what makes me qualified. I see another human getting murdered and I understand that that is horrific. I understand that that is wrong. I understand that the person that did that, the fucking monster that took his life, I know that nothing will happen to that guy unless you like actively try to burn down the world, I guess.  Or peacefully. You know, the peaceful protest. It is just all – I don’t know. There’s so much. There’s so much. And I’m not the right person to be speaking about it. You know, I’m not. I’m a white man. I am not in a position. I have a lot of followers on Instagram. That’s still not a position. That’s just me, again, trying to amplify some voices. I can put my money down. And – and donate. But it’s just like, I am not the voice.

David: [00:35:37]

You’ve become like a media personality. And you’ve even described yourself as an entertainer. So, what have you learned about the media in terms of how to get your message out that you know could be applied to other people as well perhaps?

You know, the way the media manipulates shit. You said earlier that, you know, we have so much information today, but, you know, at the same time we have so much misinformation.

Matty: [00:36:04]

Yeah. There’s no such thing as news. Everything is paid for. Everything is sponsored. So, like everyone has to be in line. The thing is is you need to be very careful with your information. And you need to follow the right kind of sources. And you need to listen. And you need to take your time. At the exact same time, posting and being furious and doing all that stuff, it’s like you do need to be able to watch that and be fluid. And be able to act in the right way. Media, I think in general, is just – it is fucked. Right? Everyone is telling their perspective. So you’re telling your perspective, you know, from – from Fox, or CNN, or whatever. And I’m like, I don’t even watch the news. Like I haven’t watched the news in years. And it’s just like, I’m getting my news from what the New York Timse, Washington Post. It’s like what are we getting? It’s just like, you’re reading something, and then they put out some stupid thing about fucking Tom Cotton. And it’s just like all this bullshit.

David: [00:37:10]

So, you are reading the Times then?

Matty: [00:37:13]

I’m just reading – I skim stuff. It’s not like I’m avidly reading the news and keeping up with things. I am, at the exact same time as doing all this stuff, I’m trying to like garden vegetables and hang out on my property, and hang out with my kids during this pandemic. Cause when the pandemic’s over and the borders open up, I’m gonna have to go back to work and start flying around the world again probably. And doing things. Because that’s what generates money for my family. And so, it’s just like, at the exact same time as I’m trying to spend as much time with my family as I can. So, it is like trying to find that balance, and actually being human and being present for my wife. Who is six months pregnant right now. And, you know, and being there for my children. And at the exact same time, like I was thinking about this, they aren’t gonna learn this living in this town. If I’m not doing the things that I’m doing, like they’re not gonna, you know, like I have to do this for my children too. We need to show our children compassion. I think one of the best things that you could do as a white person is start talking to your children about this stuff. And talking honestly. And telling them what’s going on.

David: [00:38:40]

It’s a tough thing to do, especially when they’re very young. Right? Because how do you explain something like slavery? How do you explain racism when they don’t have that feeling yet. It hasn’t been, you know, indoctrinated. They haven’t touched the culture in a way that would help them see all the problems. It is a critical thing, obviously. Canada, again, I feel like, to me, it’s kind of a utopia because we’re here in the US, and we don’t have healthcare, for example, which is a huge thing. Even in the Corona. And with regard to social justice, we see a lot of the black communities impacted in a much higher level than the white communities, because people have less money and less healthcare, don’t go to the doctors, and all those kind of things. There is something to the Canadian experience. And even with regard to cannabis, I know you have, you know, this past with drugs. How do you feel about legalizing cannabis? Are you still open about drugs? And do you think that that’s something that should be illegal as well?

Matty: [00:39:57]

Yeah. Like, dude, I’m indifferent. I’m just kind of indifferent about weed. I’m sober. So, it’s just like I don’t fuck with anything. I think that, yeah, weed. Sure. Being legal? Yeah. Legalize everything. I don’t know. Like you’re a grown-up. You can smoke cigarettes. Cigarettes and alcohol are legal. Fuck off. Let it all be legal. What are you saying? Like a drunk driver is different than somebody that smoked some crack? Like what are you talking about? Like somebody that drinks like ten beers and couple shots of whiskey, and like you think like – What is the difference? I don’t fucking know. You know, like, it’s just like the government’s in control. That’s all. It’s just saying that this is cool, this ain’t cool. Like we’re making money off this, we’re gonna control the thing. It’s systematic racism. We’re gonna put all these drug dealers in these communities, and then we’re gonna put them in jail. Perfect. It’s the history of the world. White men controlling shit and fucking people up.

David: [00:40:59]

We have a mutual acquaintance, or friend even, Pat Tenore from RVCA.

Matty: [00:41:04]

Oh my God. Sensei.

David: [00:41:06]

[laughs] He’s your Sensei?

Matty: [00:41:09]

He’s one in a million. Pat Tenore is a very good friend and I think he is a very kind of special guy. And, like, what he’s done with RVCA, what he does with the individuals over there, is incredible. He’s somebody that I just met, about four or five years ago. It’s one of those things where it just clicks. Like the same cloth type of shit.

David: [00:41:42]

Totally. I could see you guys connecting –

Matty: [00:41:45]

Yeah. The first time we met, he’s like, “You gotta come to Hawaii.” You know? And I was just like, “I’ve never been to Hawaii. What’s Hawaii?” You know. And just like – I don’t know what surfing is. I grew up in Canada. Like, literally the first time I met him, and then it was like two months later I’m in Hawaii cooking for people. I have no idea who any of these pro surfers are. Who these MMA guys are. Who these skaters are. It was just like such a cool experience. Because I went there not knowing who any of these people are, and really it was an interesting thing. The North Shore is a special place, right? And surf culture is very elite. [laughs] To say the least. And, I was brought in with no understanding of the culture, or what the history of the North Shore, or what Pipeline was, or anything.

And – and Pat was just like, “You gotta come cook for my step-kid’s birthday. His name’s Axel.” I’m like, “Cool man. I’ll come and cook for your birthday.” And he’s like, “Yeah! It’s gonna be like fifty people.” I’m like, “Okay.” And, you know, how Pat is. He’s just like, “Yay!” Keeps like calling me. He’s just like, “Uh. It’s gonna be like two hundred people. Is that okay? Can you cook for two hundred people?” And I’m just like, “Can I cook for two hundred people? Uh… We’ll see. Yeah. If I can bring down a couple catering cooks from like Honolulu. And, uh, I’ll make sure we got enough food for everybody.” And I ended up staying up for like twenty-four hours, and I cooked this giant buffet of, like prime rib, and a roasted pig, and, uh, I did like jerk chicken. I made an insane amount of food. And I pulled it off with like two guys. And I didn’t really realize, but like at the exact same time, I just cooked for all of these, like, legends. You know, like Herbie Fletcher, and Kaiborg. I didn’t even know like the Fletcher family is. You know? I really kind of like walking into the room not knowing who anybody is, and just like navigating. Be like, that guy’s cool, that guy’s cool. Okay. Yeah. You know? there’s something too, um, kind of just being yourself and not having any preconceptions.

David: So, Pat also, just to say, you know, his support of the arts as well has been huge.

Matty: [00:44:58]

Well, that is – It’s huge. Like you know, ED Templeton, and Barry McGee, and – and Bert Krak, and Sage Vaughn. And all of these people, you know. Alexis Ross. Like all of these people, um, are such amazing individuals. What he has done, truly, through art, and skateboarding, and surfing, and MMA. It’s crazy. It’s really, really an amazing group of people. That I’m a part of that with RVCA. Is, you know, it feels like I’m really a part of an amazing community.

David: [00:45:40]

Yeah. I want to get him on my show as well. Pat, if you’re listening.

Matty: [00:45:43]

Pat. Oh, Pat will do it. He’s the great- He’ll be great for podcasts. He’s the best storyteller ever. He’ll tell ten stories at once. And by the end of it, you’ll get to a great, one point. You know?

David: [00:45:55]

Awesome. One final question. What entertains you?

Matty: [00:46:00]

What entertains me? Watching my friends succeed. Is that entertainment? No. That’s like inspiration.

David: [00:46:08]

If you want to kick back and chill and, you know, watch a movie or music.

Matty: [00:46:16]

I got a hammock. [laughter] And I think that that is such a nice thing. You know? I got this hammock on a tree. A giant, uh, maple tree on my property. And when I go lay on that. If I’m stressed out, or going through some shit mentally, I can kind of go lay on this hammock and kind of sway under the branches, and the leaves, and the sunlight. And it’s a little bit cooler, because it’s not too hot for the big dog. You know, I don’t like too much sun. Get sweaty. If I just lay under that hammock, I – It’s just like, that’s entertaining. That’s the best kind of entertaining. Put on some L’Orage. Put on a little L’Orage

David: [00:47:00]

What’s L’Orage?

Matty: [00:47:01]

L’Orage’s, uh, this artist from LA who does, um, makes beautiful music. If you don’t – If you don’t know L’Orage, check out L’Orage.

David: [00:47:10]

I’m going to.

Matty: [00:47:12]

Yeah. You want some peace? He makes, um, music that will send you to another place. [laughs]

David: [00:47:20]

Alright. Well, thanks, Matty Matheson, for sending us to another place. I really enjoyed speaking with you.

Matty: [00:47:26]

Yeah. Thanks for having me.

David: [00:47:26]

…to chow down with you at some point as well.

Matty: [00:47:29]

Yeah, man. Let’s get some grinds, brah.

David: [00:47:32]

Thank you.

Matty: [00:47:33]

Alright. Later, buddy.

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